Reference:16610LV - Revision history

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	See also the [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]], [[Reference:Movements\|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets\|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers\|serial numbers by year]].		See also the [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]], [[Reference:Movements\|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets\|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers\|serial numbers by year]].

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			File:Ref 16610LV hero.webp\|alt=Rolex Submariner 16610LV Kermit\|Rolex Submariner 16610LV Kermit
			File:Ref 16610LV dial-detail.webp\|alt=16610LV black Maxi dial and green bezel\|16610LV black Maxi dial and green bezel
			</gallery>

	== Sources ==		== Sources ==

Admin: Deep correctness and anti-slop audit: qualify 16610LV variants, dating, and authentication

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Deep correctness and anti-slop audit: qualify 16610LV variants, dating, and authentication

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	{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 16610LV Submariner}}		{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 16610LV Submariner}}
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	\|title=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' — Green Bezel, 2003–2010 \| Rolexopedia		\|title=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit', Green Bezel, 2003–2010 \| Rolexopedia
	\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…		\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…
	\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide		\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide
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	[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.webp\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' in steel with green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, and full Oyster bracelet, shown with its box and papers\|Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' with box and papers — steel case, green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, full Oyster bracelet.]]		[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.webp\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' in steel with green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, and full Oyster bracelet, shown with its box and papers\|Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' with box and papers, steel case, green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, full Oyster bracelet.]]
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	== Core facts ==		==Core facts==

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	<span id="authentication-bezel-swap-fraud"></span>		<span id="authentication-bezel-swap-fraud"></span>
	== Authentication — bezel swap fraud ==		== Authentication, bezel swap fraud ==

	The green aluminum insert from a 16610LV fits a standard 16610 case. A 16610 fitted with an aftermarket green insert can be passed off as a Kermit at the Kermit premium, and the swap is one of the most common frauds in the modern Submariner market.		The green aluminum insert from a 16610LV fits a standard 16610 case. A 16610 fitted with an aftermarket green insert can be passed off as a Kermit at the Kermit premium, and the swap is one of the most common frauds in the modern Submariner market.
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	The bezel insert is green anodized aluminum, not the Cerachrom ceramic that arrived with the 116610LV Hulk in 2010. The green fades with time under UV and physical wear, a known aging characteristic of anodized aluminum.		The bezel insert is green anodized aluminum, not the Cerachrom ceramic that arrived with the 116610LV Hulk in 2010. The green fades with time under UV and physical wear, a known aging characteristic of anodized aluminum.

	[[File:Ref 16610LV dial-detail.webp\|thumb\|right\|250px\|alt=Straight-on studio shot of the 16610LV dial and green bezel\|A straight-on dial and bezel study of the Kermit — the reference's original article hero.]]		[[File:Ref 16610LV dial-detail.webp\|thumb\|right\|250px\|alt=Straight-on studio shot of the 16610LV dial and green bezel\|A straight-on dial and bezel study of the Kermit, the reference's original article hero.]]

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	== Related references ==		== Related references ==

	* [[Reference:14060M\|Submariner 14060M]] — 2000–2012		* [[Reference:14060M\|Submariner 14060M]], 2000–2012
	* [[Reference:16610\|Submariner 16610]] — Date, Cal 3135 (1988–2010)		* [[Reference:16610\|Submariner 16610]], Date, Cal 3135 (1988–2010)
	* [[Reference:16613\|Submariner 16613]] — 1989–2009		* [[Reference:16613\|Submariner 16613]], 1989–2009
	* [[Reference:16613LB\|Submariner 16613LB]] — 1989–2009		* [[Reference:16613LB\|Submariner 16613LB]], 1989–2009
	* [[Reference:16613LN\|Submariner 16613LN]] — 1989–2009		* [[Reference:16613LN\|Submariner 16613LN]], 1989–2009
	* [[Reference:116618\|Submariner 116618]] — Yellow Gold (2008–2020)		* [[Reference:116618\|Submariner 116618]], Yellow Gold (2008–2020)

	See also the [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]], [[Reference:Movements\|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets\|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers\|serial numbers by year]].		See also the [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]], [[Reference:Movements\|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets\|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers\|serial numbers by year]].
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	* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-part-2-the-55xx-1680references/ Tom Mulraney, "History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 2, The 55XX References and 1680 Date", Monochrome, 2020-08-19]		* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-part-2-the-55xx-1680references/ Tom Mulraney, "History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 2, The 55XX References and 1680 Date", Monochrome, 2020-08-19]
	* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-modern-references/ Tom Mulraney, "History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 3, Modern References", Monochrome, 2020]		* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-modern-references/ Tom Mulraney, "History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 3, Modern References", Monochrome, 2020]
	* ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' — Colin A. White, Morning Tundra		* ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'', Colin A. White, Morning Tundra
	* ''Oyster Perpetual Submariner: The Watch that Unlocked the Deep'' — Nicholas Foulkes, Wallpaper / ACC Art Books, 2024-09-16		* ''Oyster Perpetual Submariner: The Watch that Unlocked the Deep'', Nicholas Foulkes, Wallpaper / ACC Art Books, 2024-09-16
	* [https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/five-things-i-learned-from-the-first-ever-rolex-authorized-submariner-book Rich Fordon, "Five Things I Learned From The First Ever Rolex-Authorized Submariner Book", Hodinkee, 2024-09-25]		* [https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/five-things-i-learned-from-the-first-ever-rolex-authorized-submariner-book Rich Fordon, "Five Things I Learned From The First Ever Rolex-Authorized Submariner Book", Hodinkee, 2024-09-25]
	* ''Collecting Rolex Submariner'' — Franca and Guido Mondani, Guido Mondani Editore		* ''Collecting Rolex Submariner'', Franca and Guido Mondani, Guido Mondani Editore
	* [https://www.fratellowatches.com/rolex-submariner-green-dive-watch/ "Rolex Submariner LV Dive Watches from Kermit to Starbucks", Fratello]		* [https://www.fratellowatches.com/rolex-submariner-green-dive-watch/ "Rolex Submariner LV Dive Watches from Kermit to Starbucks", Fratello]
	* [https://www.fratellowatches.com/comparing-green-bezel-black-dial-subs-16610lv-kermit-vs-126610lv-starbucks/ "Comparing 16610LV Kermit vs 126610LV Starbucks", Fratello]		* [https://www.fratellowatches.com/comparing-green-bezel-black-dial-subs-16610lv-kermit-vs-126610lv-starbucks/ "Comparing 16610LV Kermit vs 126610LV Starbucks", Fratello]

Klaudiusz: Image: landscape hero replacement (Fratello editorial), old hero relocated to case/bezel section as dial-detail

2026-09-13T17:14:15Z

Image: landscape hero replacement (Fratello editorial), old hero relocated to case/bezel section as dial-detail

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	\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…		\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…
	\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide		\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide
	\|image=Ref 16610LV hero.~~jpg~~		\|image=Ref 16610LV hero.webp
	\|image_alt=Kermit, green anniversary bezel		\|image_alt=Rolex Submariner 16610LV Kermit in steel with green anniversary bezel and full Oyster bracelet
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	<div class="rp-lead">		<div class="rp-lead">
	[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.~~jpg~~\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Kermit, green anniversary bezel\|Kermit, green anniversary bezel]]		[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.webp\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' in steel with green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, and full Oyster bracelet, shown with its box and papers\|Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' with box and papers — steel case, green anniversary bezel, black Maxi dial, full Oyster bracelet.]]
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	The bezel insert is green anodized aluminum, not the Cerachrom ceramic that arrived with the 116610LV Hulk in 2010. The green fades with time under UV and physical wear, a known aging characteristic of anodized aluminum.		The bezel insert is green anodized aluminum, not the Cerachrom ceramic that arrived with the 116610LV Hulk in 2010. The green fades with time under UV and physical wear, a known aging characteristic of anodized aluminum.

			[[File:Ref 16610LV dial-detail.webp\|thumb\|right\|250px\|alt=Straight-on studio shot of the 16610LV dial and green bezel\|A straight-on dial and bezel study of the Kermit — the reference's original article hero.]]

	<span id="bezel-fading-and-authentication"></span>		<span id="bezel-fading-and-authentication"></span>

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	<div class="rp-lead">		<div class="rp-lead">
	[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=~~Rolex 16610LV Submariner~~\|~~Rolex 16610LV Submariner~~]]		[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Kermit, green anniversary bezel\|Kermit, green anniversary bezel]]
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	[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=~~Kermit, green anniversary bezel~~\|~~Kermit, green anniversary bezel~~]]		[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Rolex 16610LV Submariner\|Rolex 16610LV Submariner]]
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	<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] › '''16610LV'''</small>		<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] › '''16610LV'''</small>

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			[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|center\|640px\|alt=Kermit, green anniversary bezel\|Kermit, green anniversary bezel]]
			</div>

	The 16610LV is the Kermit, a nickname so entrenched that major auction houses use it alongside the reference number. Rolex released it at BaselWorld 2003 for the 50th anniversary of the Submariner and ran it until 2010, when the ceramic-bezel 116610LV took over. The LV stands for Lunette Verte, French for green bezel.		The 16610LV is the Kermit, a nickname so entrenched that major auction houses use it alongside the reference number. Rolex released it at BaselWorld 2003 for the 50th anniversary of the Submariner and ran it until 2010, when the ceramic-bezel 116610LV took over. The LV stands for Lunette Verte, French for green bezel.
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	~~[[File:Ref 16610LV hero.jpg\|thumb\|right\|250px\|alt=Kermit, green anniversary bezel\|Kermit, green anniversary bezel]]~~

	== Core facts ==		== Core facts ==

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	<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] -> '''16610LV'''</small>		<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] › '''16610LV'''</small>

	The 16610LV is the Kermit, a nickname so entrenched that major auction houses use it alongside the reference number. Rolex released it at BaselWorld 2003 for the 50th anniversary of the Submariner and ran it until 2010, when the ceramic-bezel 116610LV took over. The LV stands for Lunette Verte, French for green bezel.		The 16610LV is the Kermit, a nickname so entrenched that major auction houses use it alongside the reference number. Rolex released it at BaselWorld 2003 for the 50th anniversary of the Submariner and ran it until 2010, when the ceramic-bezel 116610LV took over. The LV stands for Lunette Verte, French for green bezel.
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	{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 16610LV Submariner}}		{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 16610LV Submariner}}
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	\|title=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' — Green Bezel, 2003–2010 \| ~~BezelBase~~		\|title=Rolex Submariner 16610LV 'Kermit' — Green Bezel, 2003–2010 \| Rolexopedia
	\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…		\|description=The 16610LV is the Kermit. That is what collectors call it, and the name has stuck firmly enough that "Kermit" appears in major auction house literature…
	\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide		\|keywords=Rolex, 16610LV, Submariner, specifications, reference guide

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	<span id="where-it-sits-in-the-line-and-why-it-matters"></span>		<span id="where-it-sits-in-the-line-and-why-it-matters"></span>
	== Where it sits in the line ~~and why it matters~~ ==		== Where it sits in the line ==

	Underneath, the 16610LV is a 16610. Case, movement, crystal, crown, and bracelet are shared across the two. The green anodized aluminum bezel insert and a Maxi dial with enlarged hour indices and slightly wider hands are the only external differences~~, and those two changes carry the entire collecting story~~.		Underneath, the 16610LV is a 16610. Case, movement, crystal, crown, and bracelet are shared across the two. The green anodized aluminum bezel insert and a Maxi dial with enlarged hour indices and slightly wider hands are the only external differences.

	Three green-bezel Submariners follow one another. The Kermit ran from 2003 to 2010 on green aluminum with a black dial; the [[Reference:116610LV\|116610LV]] Hulk from 2010 to 2020 on green ceramic with a green dial; the 126610LV Starbucks from 2020 on green ceramic with a black dial again. The Kermit founded the run and is the only one built on an aluminum insert.		Three green-bezel Submariners follow one another. The Kermit ran from 2003 to 2010 on green aluminum with a black dial; the [[Reference:116610LV\|116610LV]] Hulk from 2010 to 2020 on green ceramic with a green dial; the 126610LV Starbucks from 2020 on green ceramic with a black dial again. The Kermit founded the run and is the only one built on an aluminum insert.

	Being the only aluminum one is also the Kermit's authentication problem. An aftermarket green insert dropped into a standard 16610 produces something that reads as a Kermit at arm's length~~. Nobody can build a Hulk that way~~.		Being the only aluminum one is also the Kermit's authentication problem. An aftermarket green insert dropped into a standard 16610 produces something that reads as a Kermit at arm's length.

	Colin A. White's ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' (Morning Tundra) records the 16610LV as the first Submariner with enlarged lume indices. The Maxi dial format later became standard on the 116610LN and every Submariner reference after it~~. The Kermit is where it started~~.		Colin A. White's ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' (Morning Tundra) records the 16610LV as the first Submariner with enlarged lume indices. The Maxi dial format later became standard on the 116610LN and every Submariner reference after it.

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	The 16610LV was introduced at BaselWorld 2003, with first deliveries in autumn 2003. White documents that the first examples carried Y-serial numbers, which correspond to the 2001 to 2002 band in the Rolex sequential serial system; those movements were produced earlier and held for the anniversary release. Additional first-delivery examples carried early F serials from October to December 2003 as the watch moved into regular retail.		The 16610LV was introduced at BaselWorld 2003, with first deliveries in autumn 2003. White documents that the first examples carried Y-serial numbers, which correspond to the 2001 to 2002 band in the Rolex sequential serial system; those movements were produced earlier and held for the anniversary release. Additional first-delivery examples carried early F serials from October to December 2003 as the watch moved into regular retail.

	Y-serial ~~Kermits look anomalous only against an assumption that case production~~ and retail sale ~~happened in the same year~~. ~~Rolex did not work that way; a 2003-sold watch with a~~ Y-serial case ~~is normal~~.		A case serial date and retail sale date need not coincide. A Y-serial case alone does not rule out a 2003 delivery.

	Collectors chase Y-serial Kermits as the earliest production examples of the reference and the first green-bezel Submariners ever delivered. An F-serial Kermit from the same autumn 2003 delivery window also counts as an early example and is priced accordingly.		Collectors chase Y-serial Kermits as the earliest production examples of the reference and the first green-bezel Submariners ever delivered. An F-serial Kermit from the same autumn 2003 delivery window also counts as an early example and is priced accordingly.
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	Verification therefore runs backwards from the obvious order: caseback first, then the Maxi dial, then the papers, and the bezel last. The green insert is the easiest part to fake or swap, so it gets checked against everything else instead of being taken as the starting point.		Verification therefore runs backwards from the obvious order: caseback first, then the Maxi dial, then the papers, and the bezel last. The green insert is the easiest part to fake or swap, so it gets checked against everything else instead of being taken as the starting point.

	~~The Hulk closed this route off.~~ A ~~Cerachrom~~ bezel ~~cannot be swapped without leaving obvious mechanical disruption, so scrutiny stayed concentrated on the aluminum-bezel Kermits~~.		A green bezel alone does not authenticate any Submariner variant.

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	=== Bezel fading and authentication ===		=== Bezel fading and authentication ===

	A correctly faded Kermit bezel lightens evenly across the green field, shifting toward a lighter green or grayish-green while the numerals and dive-scale markings stay legible~~. That is honest wear~~. Complete fading to pale gray or near-white is uncommon and points to decades of heavy sun exposure.		A correctly faded Kermit bezel lightens evenly across the green field, shifting toward a lighter green or grayish-green while the numerals and dive-scale markings stay legible. Complete fading to pale gray or near-white is uncommon and points to decades of heavy sun exposure.

	The alternative explanation for an unworn-looking bezel is a service replacement. A saturated, uniform, new-looking green on a 2003 watch means either an unworn safe queen or a fresh insert. Thin-font Luminova plots give a service insert away immediately; one with correct thick-font printing but no wear is subtler, though ~~it still reads wrong beside~~ a ~~correctly aged original~~.		The alternative explanation for an unworn-looking bezel is a service replacement. A saturated, uniform, new-looking green on a 2003 watch means either an unworn safe queen or a fresh insert. Thin-font Luminova plots give a service insert away immediately; one with correct thick-font printing but no wear is subtler, though a lack of wear alone does not establish replacement.

	Collectors prefer honestly worn bezels to replaced ones, and a replacement fitted at any service, Rolex included, requires disclosure. On an original the pearl at 12 o'clock sits in the green field, where the standard 16610 has it in black.		Collectors prefer honestly worn bezels to replaced ones, and a replacement fitted at any service, Rolex included, requires disclosure. On an original the pearl at 12 o'clock sits in the green field, where the standard 16610 has it in black.
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	== Collectibility and market position ==		== Collectibility and market position ==

	The ~~Kermit trades at~~ a ~~consistent~~ premium over the standard 16610. ~~Seven years of production against the 16610's twenty-three accounts for most of it~~; ~~the anniversary framing~~ and ~~the scarcity value that the~~ bezel~~-swap problem confers on any verifiably original example account for the rest~~.		The 16610LV generally commands a premium over the standard 16610. Production length alone does not explain an individual result; dial and bezel variant, condition and documented originality also matter.

	Within the reference, Y-serial early-delivery watches sit at the top, followed by early F-serial examples. MK I Flat Four dials carry a premium over later marks, consistent with the general vintage pattern where the first production configuration is most prized. Stephen Pulvirent's Submariner collecting guide for Sotheby's catalogs the Kermit, Hulk, and Starbucks as a single recognized lineage.		Within the reference, Y-serial early-delivery watches sit at the top, followed by early F-serial examples. MK I Flat Four dials carry a premium over later marks, consistent with the general vintage pattern where the first production configuration is most prized. Stephen Pulvirent's Submariner collecting guide for Sotheby's catalogs the Kermit, Hulk, and Starbucks as a single recognized lineage.