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<div class="rp-lead">[[File:Ref 5508 hero.webp|thumb|center|640px|alt=Rolex Submariner 5508|Representative 5508 from the 5xxx Submariner family.]]</div>


The [[Reference:5508|5508]], [[Reference:5510|5510]], [[Reference:5512|5512]], and [[Reference:5513|5513]] are no-date Submariners from the late 1950s through the end of the [[Reference:5513|5513]] run around 1989–90. The [[Reference:5514|5514]] and [[Reference:5517|5517]] are related branches associated with COMEX and British military use. Their dates and details vary by reference; the pages linked below cover each one separately.
The [[Reference:5508|5508]], [[Reference:5510|5510]], [[Reference:5512|5512]], and [[Reference:5513|5513]] are no-date Submariners from the late 1950s through the end of the [[Reference:5513|5513]] run around 1989–90. The [[Reference:5514|5514]] and [[Reference:5517|5517]] are related branches associated with COMEX and British military use. Their dates and details vary by reference; the pages linked below cover each one separately.
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== Core map ==
== Core map ==


* [[Reference:5508|5508]] — small-crown, no-crown-guard Submariner.
* [[Reference:5508|5508]]: small-crown, no-crown-guard Submariner.
* [[Reference:5510|5510]] — big-crown, no-crown-guard reference with disputed production dates.
* [[Reference:5510|5510]]: big-crown, no-crown-guard reference with disputed production dates.
* [[Reference:5512|5512]] — crown-guard, no-date reference generally fitted with a chronometer-certified movement; early examples need to be assessed individually.
* [[Reference:5512|5512]]: crown-guard, no-date reference generally fitted with a chronometer-certified movement; early examples need individual assessment.
* [[Reference:5513|5513]] — crown-guard, no-date reference with non-chronometer movements.
* [[Reference:5513|5513]]: crown-guard, no-date reference with non-chronometer movements.
* [[Reference:5514|5514]] — COMEX-associated Submariner with a helium escape valve.
* [[Reference:5514|5514]]: COMEX-associated Submariner with a helium escape valve.
* [[Reference:5517|5517]] — military-marked reference used on British military Submariners; military watches also exist under reference [[Reference:5513|5513]].
* [[Reference:5517|5517]]: military-marked reference used on British military Submariners; military watches also exist under reference [[Reference:5513|5513]].


“Small crown” and “big crown” describe the winding crown on the no-guard cases. HEV means helium escape valve.
“Small crown” and “big crown” describe the winding crown on the no-guard cases. HEV means helium escape valve.
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* [[Reference:submariner|Submariner family index]]
* [[Reference:submariner|Submariner family index]]
* [[Reference:5508|Submariner 5508]] — no-crown-guard 8mm
* [[Reference:5508|Submariner 5508]]: no-crown-guard, 8mm crown
* [[Reference:5510|Submariner 5510]] — Big Crown, cal 1530
* [[Reference:5510|Submariner 5510]]: big crown, caliber 1530
* [[Reference:5512|Submariner 5512]] — first crown guards
* [[Reference:5512|Submariner 5512]]: first crown guards
* [[Reference:5513|Submariner 5513]] — the long-run no-date classic
* [[Reference:5513|Submariner 5513]]: long-run no-date reference
* [[Reference:5514|Submariner 5514]] — the COMEX 5xxx
* [[Reference:5514|Submariner 5514]]: COMEX branch
* [[Reference:5517|Submariner 5517]] — the MilSub
* [[Reference:5517|Submariner 5517]]: British military branch


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File:Ref 5508 hero.webp|m08 Submariner|[[Reference:5508|5508]] — no-crown-guard, small Brevet crown
File:Ref 5508 hero.webp|m08 Submariner|[[Reference:5508|5508]], no-crown-guard, small Brevet crown
File:Ref 5510 hero.webp|m10|[[Reference:5510|5510]] — Big Crown transitional, cal. 1530
File:Ref 5510 hero.webp|m10|[[Reference:5510|5510]], big crown transitional, caliber 1530
File:Ref 5512 hero.webp|m12|[[Reference:5512|5512]] — chronometer, first crown guards
File:Ref 5512 hero.webp|m12|[[Reference:5512|5512]], chronometer and first crown guards
File:Ref 5513 hero.webp|m13|[[Reference:5513|5513]] — long-run non-chronometer classic
File:Ref 5513 hero.webp|m13|[[Reference:5513|5513]], long-run non-chronometer reference
File:Ref 5514 hero.webp|m14 COMEX|[[Reference:5514|5514]] — COMEX helium-valve branch
File:Ref 5514 hero.webp|m14 COMEX|[[Reference:5514|5514]], COMEX helium-valve branch
File:Ref 5517 hero.webp|m17 MilSub|[[Reference:5517|5517]] — British military MilSub
File:Ref 5517 hero.webp|m17 MilSub|[[Reference:5517|5517]], British military branch
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== Sources ==
== Sources ==
* [https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner/from-tool-watch-to-icon Rolex, Submariner history and 1959 crown-guard introduction]
* [https://newsroom.rolex.com/watches/oyster-collection/submariner Rolex Newsroom, Submariner chronology and specifications]
* [https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner/from-tool-watch-to-icon Rolex Submariner: From tool watch to icon] — Rolex, including its 1959 account of crown guards.
* [https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner/from-tool-watch-to-icon Rolex Submariner: From tool watch to icon] — Rolex, including its 1959 account of crown guards.
* [https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/five-things-i-learned-from-the-first-ever-rolex-authorized-submariner-book Five Things I Learned From the First Ever Rolex-Authorized Submariner Book] — Hodinkee, on the production estimates in Nicholas Foulkes’s 2024 book.
* [https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/five-things-i-learned-from-the-first-ever-rolex-authorized-submariner-book Five Things I Learned From the First Ever Rolex-Authorized Submariner Book] — Hodinkee, on the production estimates in Nicholas Foulkes’s 2024 book.

Latest revision as of 20:25, 27 September 2026


Rolex Submariner 5508
Representative 5508 from the 5xxx Submariner family.

The 5508, 5510, 5512, and 5513 are no-date Submariners from the late 1950s through the end of the 5513 run around 1989–90. The 5514 and 5517 are related branches associated with COMEX and British military use. Their dates and details vary by reference; the pages linked below cover each one separately.

Core map

  • 5508: small-crown, no-crown-guard Submariner.
  • 5510: big-crown, no-crown-guard reference with disputed production dates.
  • 5512: crown-guard, no-date reference generally fitted with a chronometer-certified movement; early examples need individual assessment.
  • 5513: crown-guard, no-date reference with non-chronometer movements.
  • 5514: COMEX-associated Submariner with a helium escape valve.
  • 5517: military-marked reference used on British military Submariners; military watches also exist under reference 5513.

“Small crown” and “big crown” describe the winding crown on the no-guard cases. HEV means helium escape valve.

Case development

The 5508 and 5510 have no crown guards. Rolex dates the introduction of crown guards on the Submariner to 1959, the period associated with the 5512. The 5512 and 5513 then share the guarded case form, with changes to guard shape over time.

Collectors use names such as “square,” “Cornino,” and “eagle beak” for early guard shapes, but the labels are not applied consistently. The 5512 article lays out the competing classifications: Jose Pereztroika’s review of Nicholas Foulkes’s 2024 book treats “eagle beak” as a separate shape, while the 5512 generation table uses it as a nickname for the pointed Cornino form. The available descriptions do not settle that naming difference.

5512 and 5513

The 5512 and 5513 overlapped in production and share much of their case and dial development. Their movement specifications distinguish them: 5512 examples are associated with chronometer-certified calibres, while the 5513 used non-chronometer calibres. Do not assume every early 5512 has the same certification or movement; check the individual watch and the evidence cited on its reference page.

Nicholas Foulkes’s Rolex-authorized 2024 book reports estimated totals of 17,338 for the 5512 and 151,449 for the 5513. Hodinkee’s review of the book also describes the 5513 figure as an estimate. These are book-level production estimates, not counts that establish the originality or relative desirability of an individual example.

Their dials changed over the long production runs. Gilt, matte, and later glossy dial descriptions apply to particular periods and configurations, not to every watch in a reference. The 5512 and 5513 pages document those variations and the limits of the dating evidence.

Special-use branches

The 5514 is associated with COMEX, the French commercial diving company. It adds a helium escape valve to a Submariner case. Published accounts disagree on its production dates and total: auction catalogues place documented examples in the 1970s, while readings of Foulkes’s book differ from Jose Pereztroika’s review. The 5514 page records the specific lots and the conflicting estimates; a single surviving example does not establish the full delivery history.

The 5517 is found on British military Submariners, alongside military watches catalogued as 5513. Fixed spring bars, military dial and hand specifications, bezel markings, and caseback markings are documented on individual examples. Configurations and service histories should be checked watch by watch rather than treated as a universal checklist.

Movements, bracelets, and packaging

Movement families differ across the references and change within some runs. The 5512 and 5513 pages give the calibre details and date ranges; the family label alone is not enough to identify a movement in an individual watch.

Bracelet fitment records show overlap between the 5512 and 5513, including 7206, 9315, and 93150 bracelets with several end-link types. A documented fitment does not prove that a bracelet was delivered with a particular watch. A clasp code dates the bracelet, not the watch head. Boxes and papers are generally period-based unless a reference-specific link is documented.

Related references

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