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[[File:Ref 2784 caseback.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Caseback of a Rolex Oyster 2784 stamped with case number 126474 above the reference number 2784|Number 126474 is stamped above the reference, in the upper documented case-number band.]]
[[File:Ref 2784 caseback.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Caseback of a Rolex Oyster 2784 stamped with case number 126474 above the reference number 2784|Number 126474 is stamped above the reference, in the upper documented case-number band.]]


==Movement notes==
==Movement notes==


Auction catalogues describe manual movements with 15 or 17 jewels. They do not identify a
Auction catalogues describe manual movements with 15 or 17 jewels but give no maker or caliber name. David Boettcher documents the 10½-ligne Fontainemelon FHF 30 in Oyster Watch Co. watches and identifies Cal. 59, with a centre-seconds 59(SC) version, as Tudor designations. Ref. 2784 auction records leave the caliber unassigned.
manufacturer or caliber. David Boettcher identifies the movement used in this Oyster Watch Co.
family as the 10½-ligne Fontainemelon FHF 30, also designated Cal. 59 by Rolex and Tudor, with a
centre-seconds version known as 59(SC).


That family attribution is plausible for ref. 2784 but not directly confirmed by the available
An FHF 30 family attribution is plausible for ref. 2784 but not directly confirmed by the available
movement photography. The only movement image tied to a case visibly stamped 2784 has a
movement photography. The only movement image tied to a case visibly stamped 2784 has a
Tudor-signed bridge and may be a replacement. The Centregraph and Raleigh records establish
Tudor-signed bridge and may be a replacement. The Centregraph and Raleigh records establish centre seconds; their catalogues leave the caliber unnamed. Both 15- and 17-jewel movements
centre seconds, but their catalogues do not name a caliber. Both 15- and 17-jewel movements
remain documented; the reason for the split is unknown.
remain documented; the reason for the split is unknown.


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distribution and private military purchases; it does not tie those claims to ref. 2784.
distribution and private military purchases; it does not tie those claims to ref. 2784.


[[File:Ref 2784 Raleigh dial.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Rolex Oyster Raleigh 2784 in steel and gold with luminous Arabic numerals, inner red 24-hour numerals and centre seconds|Antiquorum's 1941-dated Oyster Raleigh, case 126474, has luminous Arabic hours, an inner 13–24 track and centre seconds. The catalogue does not identify its caliber.]]


==The Viceroy and Lipton names==
==The Viceroy and Lipton names==
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[[File:Ref 2784 Viceroy dial.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Rolex Oyster Viceroy 2784 in stainless steel with a two-tone dial marked Extra Prima|Antiquorum's Oyster Viceroy, case 91535. The dial carries the Extra Prima grade marking below the centre.]]
[[File:Ref 2784 Viceroy dial.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Rolex Oyster Viceroy 2784 in stainless steel with a two-tone dial marked Extra Prima|Antiquorum's Oyster Viceroy, case 91535. The dial carries the Extra Prima grade marking below the centre.]]


==Dial map==
==Dial map==
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| Three-tone, Beyer-retailed
| Three-tone, Beyer-retailed
| The reference's highest documented result; the only retailer signature among documented lots
| Three-tone dial with the only retailer signature among documented lots
| Antiquorum 2024 (case 81218)
| Antiquorum 2024 (case 81218)
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</gallery>
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The Centregraph is mechanically different from the subsidiary-seconds watches. Christie's
The Centregraph has sweep centre seconds, unlike the subsidiary-seconds examples. Christie's
catalogued one with 17 jewels, an inner red 24-hour chapter ring and sweep centre seconds. That
catalogued one with 17 jewels and an inner red 24-hour chapter ring but did not name its caliber.
layout is consistent with the Cal. 59(SC) family attribution, but Christie's does not name the caliber.


The Solar Aqua does not appear in the ref. 2784 auction record. A Yorktime listing pairs the unsigned Solar Aqua dial with an inner caseback visibly stamped
The Solar Aqua does not appear in the ref. 2784 auction record. A Yorktime listing pairs the unsigned Solar Aqua dial with an inner caseback visibly stamped
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| 7 May 2002
| 7 May 2002
| Oyster Junior Sport
| Oyster Junior Sport
| —
| n/a
| HKD 6,490
| HKD 6,490
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| 2 Dec 2003
| 2 Dec 2003
| unnamed
| unnamed
| —
| n/a
| GBP 211
| GBP 211
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| 5 Jun 2003
| 5 Jun 2003
| Oyster Centregraph (lot of two watches)
| Oyster Centregraph (lot of two watches)
| —
| n/a
| USD 1,912 for the lot
| USD 1,912 for the lot
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| 3 May 2005
| 3 May 2005
| Oyster Junior Sport
| Oyster Junior Sport
| —
| n/a
| not sold
| not sold
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| Oyster Junior Sport
| Oyster Junior Sport
| 92797
| 92797
| —
| n/a
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| Antiquorum, Geneva
| Antiquorum, Geneva
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See also the [[Reference:bubbleback|early Oyster and Bubbleback index]], [[Reference:Movements|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers|serial numbers by year]].
See also the [[Reference:bubbleback|early Oyster and Bubbleback index]], [[Reference:Movements|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers|serial numbers by year]].


== Image gallery ==
<gallery mode="packed" heights="180">
<gallery mode="packed" heights="180">
File:Ref 2784 hero.webp|Oyster Junior Sport 2784, case 81218, retailed by Beyer
File:Ref 2784 hero.webp|Oyster Junior Sport 2784, case 81218, retailed by Beyer