Jump to content

Reference:4365: Difference between revisions

From Rolexopedia
[checked revision][checked revision]
site-wide: layout classes (core-facts card, breadcrumb, entry-point cards)
Remove standalone gallery heading; retain footer gallery
 
(10 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 4365 Air-King}}
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 4365 Air-King}}
{{#seo:
{{#seo:
|title=Rolex 4365 Air-King — Sub-Seconds Cal 10½ Hunter, Air-Lion / Air-Tiger / Air-Giant Sister Names | Rolexopedia
|title=Rolex 4365 Air-King — Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, Air-Giant | Rolexopedia
|description=The 4365 is the 1945-era sub-seconds Air-King reference that carried Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, and Air-Giant variants on shared cases. Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds, 32-34mm Oyster, parallel production with the centre-seconds 4925.
|description=Reference guide to the 4365, a 1945-era sub-seconds Air-King family reference with documented Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant dials, Cal. 10½ Hunter movements and a 32–34mm Oyster case.
|keywords=Rolex, 4365, Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, Air-Giant, Cal 10½ Hunter, sub-seconds
|keywords=Rolex, 4365, Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, Air-Giant, Cal 10½ Hunter, sub-seconds
|image=Ref 4365 hero.webp
|image=Ref 4365 hero.webp
Line 15: Line 15:
<small>[[Reference:air-king|Air-King]] › '''4365'''</small>
<small>[[Reference:air-king|Air-King]] › '''4365'''</small>


The 4365 is the sub-seconds sister to the centre-seconds [[Reference:4925|4925]] in the 1945 Battle of Britain Air-King launch. The two references run in parallel from 1945 through approximately 1953, sharing the Cal 10½ Hunter movement family but splitting across the dial layout: 4925 is centre-seconds, 4365 is sub-seconds with the small seconds register at six. Where the 4925 carries the Air-King name only, the 4365 carries the full four-name commemoration — Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, Air-Giant — printed on the dial of period examples that share a single case and movement. Marcus Siems' published side-by-side photograph captioned ''"Air-Tiger (left), Air-Giant (middle) and Air-Lion (right) — all reference 4365 from the 1940s"'' is the strongest single evidence anchor for the four-name dial-map convention.
<div class="rp-lead">
[[File:Ref 4365 hero.webp|thumb|center|640px|alt=Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, c.1946|Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, c.1946]]
</div>


By the early 1950s Rolex retires Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, and Air-Giant from the catalog. Only Air-King survives. Tudor revives Air-Tiger on its own ref 7957 (documented at Foundwell c.1959 and Analog:Shift c.1964); Air-Lion and Air-Giant make no jump and disappear entirely. The 4365's role in this narrative is the canvas on which the four-name commemoration was tested: Rolex used a single case and movement combination to carry four marketing identities to four notional pilot-watch sub-segments, and the market (or the dealer ordering pattern) selected only one.
The 4365 is the sub-seconds sister to the centre-seconds [[Reference:4925|4925]] in the 1945 Air-King launch. The two references run in parallel from 1945 through approximately 1953, sharing the Cal 10½ Hunter family but using different dial layouts: 4925 is centre-seconds, while 4365 has the small seconds register at six. Period examples carry Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger or Air-Giant text on the dial. Marcus Siems' published side-by-side photograph documents Air-Tiger, Air-Giant and Air-Lion examples as 4365s.
 
By the early 1950s the catalog uses Air-King alone. Tudor later used Air-Tiger on ref. 7957, while Air-Lion and Air-Giant do not appear in the later Tudor records cited here. The four names should be treated as dial variants on the early Air references, not as separate 4365 case references.


<span id="core-facts"></span>
<span id="core-facts"></span>


[[File:Ref 4365 hero.webp|thumb|right|250px|alt=Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger gold-plated|Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, c.1946]]


== Core facts ==
== Core facts ==
Line 37: Line 40:
|-
|-
| common name
| common name
| "the sub-seconds Air-King," "the four-name shared-case Air-King"
| sub-seconds Air-King; Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant dial variants
|-
|-
| production
| production
Line 43: Line 46:
|-
|-
| case
| case
| 32–34mm × Bubbleback-class three-piece stainless steel Oyster (case-size contested across documented examples — gold-plated and solid-gold variants run a click smaller)
| 32–34mm Oyster cases are documented; measurements vary by lot and material
|-
|-
| metals
| metals
| stainless steel (canonical), gold-plated (Bonhams 2023 Air-Tiger), solid 18K pink gold (Antiquorum 2001 Precision)
| stainless steel, gold-plated and solid 18K pink-gold examples are documented
|-
|-
| crystal
| crystal
Line 55: Line 58:
|-
|-
| movement
| movement
| Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds variant — 15 jewels (early) → 17 jewels (later running update); same 700/710/720-base architecture as 4925
| Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds variant, 15 jewels early and 17 jewels later; same 700/710/720-base architecture as 4925
|-
|-
| chronometer
| chronometer
| no — "PRECISION" tier
| no, "PRECISION" tier
|-
|-
| dial layout
| dial layout
Line 64: Line 67:
|-
|-
| dial text variants
| dial text variants
| AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT — four parallel marketing names on shared 4365 case
| AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT on documented 4365 dials
|-
|-
| bracelet
| bracelet
| 19mm Oyster — period-correct rivet construction; original 18K pink gold Oyster on the Antiquorum solid-gold Precision example
| 19mm Oyster, period-correct rivet construction; original 18K pink gold Oyster on the Antiquorum solid-gold Precision example
|-
|-
| caseback
| caseback
Line 73: Line 76:
|-
|-
| sister
| sister
| [[Reference:4925|4925]] (centre-seconds 1945-era Air-King), [[Reference:4499|4499]] (1946+ centre-seconds running mate to 4925), 4444 (mid-size with gold bezel/crown — Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King variants), 4647 (Hunter Precision, Air-Lion sister)
| [[Reference:4925|4925]] (centre-seconds 1945-era Air-King), [[Reference:4499|4499]] (1946+ centre-seconds running mate to 4925), 4444 (mid-size with gold bezel and crown, Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King variants), 4647 (Hunter Precision, Air-Lion sister)
|-
|-
| successor
| successor
Line 82: Line 85:
== Where it sits in the line ==
== Where it sits in the line ==


The 4365 sits at the dial-layout fork in the 1945 Air-King launch. Rolex commemorated the Battle of Britain naming exercise across three case configurations and four dial names. The case configurations: Bubbleback-class 32-34mm Oyster (4365), Bubbleback-class 34mm Oyster centre-seconds (4925), mid-size 31.75mm with solid-gold bezel and crown (4444), Hunter Precision case (4647). The dial names: Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger, Air-Giant. The 4365 carries the broadest dial-name distribution because of Siems' documented photographic evidence — the same 4365 case ran with three of the four sister names, plus a small subset of confirmed Air-King-marked dials.
The 4365 sits at the dial-layout fork in the 1945 Air-King launch. The documented case group includes the Bubbleback-class 32–34mm Oyster 4365, the centre-seconds 4925, the mid-size 4444 with solid-gold bezel and crown, and the Hunter Precision 4647. Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant text appears across the period Air references; Siems' photographs document three of those names on 4365 examples.


The architectural relationship to the 4925 is the cleanest framing. Both references launched in 1945 with the Cal 10½ Hunter movement family. Both carry steel Bubbleback-class Oyster cases. The 4925 carries centre-seconds with sweep (the visually-newer dial layout that becomes the post-war standard); the 4365 carries the sub-seconds layout with the small register at six (the more traditional pre-war dial language). Rolex offered both layouts in parallel through the late 1940s and into the early 1950s, then retired the sub-seconds 4365 alongside the centre-seconds 4925 by approximately 1953 when the 6552 takes over with the Cal 1030 automatic.
The architectural relationship to the 4925 is direct. Both references launched in 1945 with the Cal 10½ Hunter family and steel Oyster cases. The 4925 carries centre-seconds; the 4365 carries the small register at six. Rolex offered both layouts in parallel through the late 1940s and into the early 1950s, then replaced them around 1953 with the automatic 6552 and Cal 1030.


The case is supplied by the same Aegler-related case-supply chain as the 4925. The Bubbleback-class envelope sits closer to the post-war flat Oyster than to the pre-war Bubbleback proper — the Cal 10½ Hunter doesn't need rotor clearance. Lugs are 19mm with drilled spring-bar holes. The bezel is fixed and steel and smooth. The crown is manual-brevet screw-down.
The case has a flatter profile than a rotor-driven Bubbleback because the Cal. 10½ Hunter movement does not require rotor clearance. Lugs are 19mm with drilled spring-bar holes. The bezel is fixed, steel and smooth. The crown is a manual-wind brevet screw-down.


A documented 4365/6022 composite case appears in late-1950s production. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365/6022 Air-Lion dated c.1958 — the secondary reference 6022 is a service-case from a later run, indicating Rolex serviced and re-cased original 4365 movements into 6022-style cases as late as 1958. Documented 4365/6022 examples are service-era refits rather than original-delivery 1940s production.
A documented 4365/6022 composite case appears in late-1950s service records. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365/6022 Air-Lion dated c.1958. The secondary reference 6022 is a later service case, so this is a service-era refit rather than original-delivery 1940s production.


<span id="production-outline"></span>
<span id="production-outline"></span>
== Production outline ==
== Production outline ==


The 1945 launch year is consensus across Marcus Siems' Air-King family history, Monochrome (Erik Slaven, January 2025), Rescapement (Tony Traina), Watch-Wiki, Chronoclub, Robb Report, and ''Rolex Magazine'' (Jake Ehrlich). The 4365 ships in the same 1945 Battle of Britain launch alongside the 4925, 4444, 4647, and the broader four-name commemoration set.
Published Air-King histories place the 4365 launch in 1945 alongside the 4925, 4444 and 4647. The four names belong to the dial variants documented in that launch group.


The retirement is consensus 1953, mirroring the 4925's catalog cutoff. The Cal 10½ Hunter movement family retires with the broader pre-1030 hand-wound Air-King line, and the 6552 (1953-1957, first automatic Air-King with Cal 1030) takes the line forward. The 4365/6022 composite-cased examples that surface dated 1958 (Bonhams 2023 lot 17) are service-replacement re-cased examples rather than late-stock continuation production — Rolex assembled or re-cased original 4365 movements into 6022-style cases up to several years after the 4365 itself retired from the catalog.
Published histories place the 4365 and 4925 cutoff around 1953, when the automatic 6552 and Cal 1030 take over. The 4365/6022 example dated 1958 in Bonhams lot 17 is a service-case example, not evidence of continuing original 4365 production.


Total production output is not published. The 4365 is scarce at major-house auction — three documented lots in the auction record through 2025 (Bonhams 2023 Air-Lion, Bonhams 2023 Air-Tiger, Antiquorum 2001 18K pink gold Precision). Sotheby's, Phillips, and Christie's have no documented 4365 lots in the auction record. The 1945-era short production window, the 4365's modest profile in its day, and the four-name dial-marketing complexity that obscures the catalog presence keep the auction record thin. The Siems side-by-side photograph carries more weight than any single auction-house lot.
No production total is published. The cited auction record contains four Bonhams and Antiquorum lots through 2025. Variant identification still depends on the dial, case and movement together.


<span id="movement-notes"></span>
<span id="movement-notes"></span>
== Movement notes ==
== Movement notes ==


The 4365 runs the Cal 10½ Hunter family in its sub-seconds layout — small seconds register at six rather than the centre-seconds sweep of the 4925. The 700-series base architecture (700 / 710 / 720 / similar) and the 15j → 17j running update mirror the 4925's progression; see [[Reference:4925#movement-notes|the 4925 movement notes]] for the canonical caliber breakdown.
The 4365 runs the Cal 10½ Hunter family in its sub-seconds layout, with the small seconds register at six rather than the centre-seconds sweep of the 4925. The 700-series base architecture and the 15j-to-17j running update mirror the 4925's progression; see [[Reference:4925#movement-notes|the 4925 movement notes]] for the caliber breakdown.


The case profile reads closer to the post-war flat-case Oyster than to the pre-war Bubbleback proper; the Cal 10½ Hunter doesn't need rotor-clearance dome.
The case profile reads closer to the post-war flat-case Oyster than to the pre-war Bubbleback proper; the Cal 10½ Hunter doesn't need rotor-clearance dome.


The 4365 is not COSC chronometer rated. The dial reads PRECISION across documented examples; "Super Precision" attribution on a 4365 dial is service-replacement (likely a 5500-era Cal 1530 dial swap applied during service) and is not original.
The 4365 is not COSC chronometer rated. The dial reads PRECISION across documented examples; A “Super Precision” 4365 dial would need an explanation because the documented examples use “Precision”; a service replacement is one possibility.


<span id="dial-map"></span>
<span id="dial-map"></span>
== Dial map ==
== Dial map ==


The 4365 carries the broadest single-reference dial-name distribution in the Air-King family — four marketing names on shared cases. Five documented configurations across the auction record and specialist-dealer market:
The auction and specialist record documents four dial names and several configurations:


<span id="air-king-rhodium"></span>
<span id="air-king-rhodium"></span>
=== AIR-KING — silvered/rhodium with applied baton + Arabic ===
=== AIR-KING — silvered/rhodium with applied baton + Arabic ===


The Air-King-marked 4365 dial. Silvered or rhodium ground, applied baton hour markers with Arabic numerals at the cardinal positions, sub-seconds register at six, "AIR-KING" + "PRECISION" text. One specialist-dealer record catalogues a 1946 example (the only specifically-Air-King-marked 4365 in the dealer market); no confirmed Air-King-marked 4365 anchors in the major-house auction record. The Air-King-text 4365 is the rarest of the four sister-name dial configurations.
The Air-King-marked 4365 dial. Silvered or rhodium ground, applied baton hour markers with Arabic numerals at the cardinal positions, sub-seconds register at six, "AIR-KING" + "PRECISION" text. Bonhams' 2023 Private Canadian Collection lot 39 (steel, c.1946, case No. 431743) is the documented major-house auction anchor; a specialist-dealer record catalogues a separate 1946 example.


<span id="air-lion-silvered"></span>
<span id="air-lion-silvered"></span>
Line 126: Line 129:
=== AIR-TIGER — cream/eggshell with applied gilt Arabic ===
=== AIR-TIGER — cream/eggshell with applied gilt Arabic ===


The most-collected sister-name configuration. Cream or eggshell ground, applied gilt Arabic numerals at all hours, gilt leaf hands, sub-seconds at six, "AIR-TIGER" + "PRECISION" text. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 41 (gold-plated 32mm 4365 Air-Tiger, c.1946, realised USD 1,088 with premium) is the documented major-house anchor. A 1946 Air-Tiger 4365 dealer entry corroborates the configuration across the specialist market.
Cream or eggshell ground, applied gilt Arabic numerals at all hours, gilt leaf hands, sub-seconds at six, "AIR-TIGER" + "PRECISION" text. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 41 (gold-plated 32mm 4365 Air-Tiger, c.1946) is the documented major-house anchor. A 1946 Air-Tiger 4365 dealer entry corroborates the configuration across the specialist market.


<span id="air-giant-silvered"></span>
<span id="air-giant-silvered"></span>
Line 136: Line 139:
=== Solid 18K pink gold Precision — black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices ===
=== Solid 18K pink gold Precision — black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices ===


The luxury-tier sub-variant. 18K pink gold case (33mm × 20 × 39mm), black dial with applied pink-gold dart hour markers and square index plates, dauphine hands, sub-seconds at six. Antiquorum Hotel Richemond Geneva 13 October 2001 lot 553 (CHF 7,475 realised against estimate CHF 5,000–7,000, with original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet) is the documented anchor. The solid-gold Precision 4365 is rare and trades at substantial premium to the standard configurations.
18K pink gold case (33mm × 20 × 39mm), black dial with applied pink-gold dart hour markers and square index plates, dauphine hands, sub-seconds at six. Antiquorum Hotel Richemond Geneva 13 October 2001 lot 553 is the documented anchor; its result is listed in the Auction record.
 
The tropical brown / chocolate-gilt 4365 surfaces on a single 35mm gold-cased dealer-market example as a patina-aged sub-variant. Honeycomb / clous-de-Paris and retailer-signed (Tiffany / Cartier / Beyer / Asprey) 4365 examples are not documented in the auction record.


The tropical brown / chocolate-gilt 4365 surfaces on a single 35mm gold-cased dealer-market example as the patina-aged sub-variant. The honeycomb / clous-de-Paris configurations and retailer-signed (Tiffany / Cartier / Beyer / Asprey) 4365 examples are not documented in the auction record.
<gallery mode="packed" heights="180">
File:Ref 4365 dial-variant-air-king.webp|4365 Air-King, stainless steel, white dial with applied Arabic numerals and sub-seconds at six, c.1946.
File:Ref 4365 dial-variant-air-lion.webp|4365 Air-Lion, 4365/6022 composite case, silvered dial with gilt baton markers and Roman quarters, c.1958.
</gallery>


<span id="bracelets-end-links-and-clasps"></span>
<span id="bracelets-end-links-and-clasps"></span>
== Bracelets, end-links, and clasps ==
== Bracelets, end-links, and clasps ==


19mm Oyster across the production. The Antiquorum 2001 18K pink gold Precision lot is the best-documented original-fitment example — original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet on the solid-gold case. Most other surviving 4365 lots come on aftermarket leather; the 1940s rivet Oyster bracelets are scarce in surviving inventory and most 4365s wear post-1950s service-era replacements or leather strap fits when sold.
19mm Oyster across the production. The Antiquorum 2001 18K pink gold Precision lot is the clearest documented original-fitment example, with an original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet on the solid-gold case. Most other surviving 4365 lots come on aftermarket leather; 1940s rivet Oyster bracelets are uncommon in the surviving auction record.


The end-link generation pre-dates the formal numbered Oyster bracelet references that anchor the later 5500-era Air-King line. Period-correct fitment on a stainless 4365 is generic 6635-class rivet Oyster with the early end-link 57 or 58. The solid-gold variant carries gold-link Oyster construction.
The end-link generation pre-dates the formal numbered Oyster bracelet references that anchor the later 5500-era Air-King line. Period-correct fitment on a stainless 4365 is generic 6635-class rivet Oyster with the early end-link 57 or 58. The solid-gold variant carries gold-link Oyster construction.
Line 151: Line 159:


<span id="four-name-commemoration"></span>
<span id="four-name-commemoration"></span>
=== Four-name commemoration on shared cases ===
=== Four-name dial distribution on shared cases ===


The 4365's defining branch — the Air-King / Air-Lion / Air-Tiger / Air-Giant dial-text distribution on a single case-and-movement combination. Siems' side-by-side photograph is the documentary anchor. The four-name 1945 commemoration is covered at [[Reference:4925#battle-of-britain-narrative|the 4925's Battle of Britain section]]; the 4365 carried the broadest sister-name distribution within that program.
The Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant dial texts are the main documented branch. Siems' side-by-side photograph is the documentary anchor. The origin story remains attributed in [[Reference:4925#battle-of-britain-narrative|the 4925 Battle of Britain section]].


<span id="solid-gold-pink-precision"></span>
<span id="solid-gold-pink-precision"></span>
=== Solid 18K pink gold Precision ===
=== Solid 18K pink gold Precision ===


The luxury-tier variant. 33mm 18K pink gold case with original gold Oyster bracelet, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, dauphine hands. Antiquorum Geneva 2001 lot 553 is the documented anchor at CHF 7,475 hammer.
The 33mm 18K pink gold case has an original gold Oyster bracelet, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, and dauphine hands. Antiquorum Geneva 2001 lot 553 is the documented anchor; the sale result is listed in the Auction record.


<span id="composite-4365-6022"></span>
<span id="composite-4365-6022"></span>
=== 4365/6022 composite-cased late examples ===
=== 4365/6022 composite-cased late examples ===


Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365 Air-Lion movement in a 6022 service-replacement case dated c.1958. The convention indicates Rolex serviced and re-cased original 4365 movements into 6022-style cases as late as 1958, several years after the 4365 itself retired from the catalog. 4365/6022 composite-cased examples are service-replacement variants rather than original-delivery production. The 6022 secondary reference is a later-period service case, not a continuous-production sub-line.
Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365 Air-Lion movement in a 6022 service-replacement case dated c.1958. The lot documents a 4365 movement in a 6022 service case in 1958, several years after the commonly cited 4365 production period. It is a service-case example rather than evidence of continued original 4365 production. The 6022 secondary reference is a later-period service case, not a continuous-production sub-line.


The Tudor Air-Tiger ref 7957 cross-brand continuation (Foundwell c.1959, Analog:Shift c.1964) carries the Air-Tiger name forward on the Tudor side after Rolex retires it. The cross-brand Tudor 7957 is not a 4365 sub-variant but is the genealogical successor to the 4365 Air-Tiger sister-name dial. A documented 4647 Air-Lion (~1947, 31×39mm Hunter Precision) and the 4444 Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King mid-size with solid-gold bezel/crown are the non-4365 references that carried Air-Lion / Air-Giant variants in the 1945-launch generation.
Tudor Air-Tiger ref. 7957 examples are documented separately. They carry the name on a different brand and reference, so they are not 4365 variants. A documented 4647 Air-Lion (~1947, 31×39mm Hunter Precision) and the 4444 Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King mid-size with solid-gold bezel/crown are the non-4365 references that carried Air-Lion / Air-Giant variants in the 1945-launch generation.


The retailer-signed (Tiffany / Cartier / Beyer / Asprey / Joyería Riviera), military-issue, and named-presentation engraved 4365 configurations are not documented in the auction record through 2025.
The cited auction record does not document retailer-signed, military-issue or named-presentation 4365 variants through 2025.


<span id="historical-market-and-auction-record"></span>
<span id="historical-market-and-auction-record"></span><span id="Historical_market_and_auction_record"></span>
== Historical market and auction record ==
== Auction record ==


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
Line 178: Line 186:
| Antiquorum Geneva (Hotel Richemond) || 553 || 2001 || 4365 18K pink gold Oyster Precision, 33mm, Cal 10 17j, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, dauphine hands, original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet || CHF 7,475 (est. CHF 5,000–7,000)
| Antiquorum Geneva (Hotel Richemond) || 553 || 2001 || 4365 18K pink gold Oyster Precision, 33mm, Cal 10 17j, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, dauphine hands, original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet || CHF 7,475 (est. CHF 5,000–7,000)
|-
|-
| Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) || 17 || 2023 || 4365/6022 stainless Air-Lion, 35mm, Cal 10½ 17j, silvered dial gilt baton + Roman quarters, centre-seconds, c.1958 (composite case) || Est. USD 3,000–5,000
| Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) || 39 || 2023 || 4365 stainless Air-King, 32mm, Cal 10½ 17j, white dial applied Arabic, sub-seconds at 6, blued steel leaf hands, case No. 431743, c.1946 || Realised USD 1,408 incl. premium (est. USD 1,000–2,000)
|-
| Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) || 17 || 2023 || 4365/6022 stainless Air-Lion, 35mm, Cal 10½ 17j, silvered dial gilt baton + Roman quarters, centre-seconds service-case example, c.1958 || Est. USD 3,000–5,000
|-
|-
| Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) || 41 || 2023 || 4365 gold-plated Air-Tiger, 32mm, Cal 10½ 17j, cream dial applied Arabic, sub-seconds at 6, gilt leaf hands, c.1946 || Realised USD 1,088 incl. premium
| Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) || 41 || 2023 || 4365 gold-plated Air-Tiger, 32mm, Cal 10½ 17j, cream dial applied Arabic, sub-seconds at 6, gilt leaf hands, c.1946 || Realised USD 1,088 incl. premium
|}
|}


The 4365 trades primarily at the USD 1,000–8,000 band depending on metal, dial configuration, and originality. Stainless 4365s with sister-name dials sit at the lower end (USD 1,000–2,500); the solid 18K pink gold Precision configuration pushes into the USD 7,500+ range with provenance. Phillips, Sotheby's, and Christie's have no documented standalone 4365 lots in the auction record through 2025; Bonhams and Antiquorum are the major-house anchors. The Marcus Siems photograph plus the broader specialist-dealer record carry more weight than the auction-house record for variant identification.
The results are lot-specific and should not be used as a price band for the reference. The 4365/6022 lot is a service-case example with centre-seconds, unlike the normal sub-seconds 4365 configuration. The page’s cited record contains no standalone 4365 lot from Phillips, Sotheby’s or Christie’s.


<span id="authentication"></span>
<span id="authentication"></span>
== Authentication ==
== Authentication ==


The 4365 is 80 years old. Most surviving examples have been serviced multiple times across that span, and the 4365/6022 composite case convention documented at Bonhams 2023 demonstrates that Rolex itself re-cased original movements into later service cases as late as 1958. Most 4365 examples are potentially service-refit; read the dial / movement / case combination rather than relying on any single anchor.
The 4365 is an early- to mid-1940s reference. Service and refit history is possible on any surviving example, and the Bonhams 4365/6022 lot documents a later service case. Read the dial, movement and case together rather than relying on one feature.


The dial-text question is the cleanest single anchor for variant identification. AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT are all documented period-correct 4365 dial configurations; the four sister names are not interchangeable on a service-replacement basis (a service-replacement Air-Tiger dial applied to a 4365/6022 service case would be plausible but dramatic). Provenance documentation (period photographs, the dealer's-ledger entry where available, the geographic distribution channel) is essential at the four-name dial-text level. Marcus Siems' side-by-side photograph is the standard reference for the four configurations.
The dial-text question is the cleanest single anchor for variant identification. AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT are all documented period-correct 4365 dial configurations; the four sister names are not interchangeable on a service-replacement basis (a service-replacement Air-Tiger dial applied to a 4365/6022 service case would be plausible but dramatic). Provenance documentation (period photographs, the dealer's-ledger entry where available, the geographic distribution channel) is essential at the four-name dial-text level. Marcus Siems' side-by-side photograph is the standard reference for the four configurations.


Caseback stamping is the cleanest dating anchor: a caseback stamped only "4365" inside is original 1945-era production; a caseback stamped "4365/6022" is the late-1950s composite case (period-correct service replacement, not original delivery). A c.1946 4365/6022 case is impossible because the 6022 case-supply post-dates 4365 production; a c.1958 4365/6022 example is consistent with the documented service-replacement convention.
A caseback stamped “4365” supports the period reference but does not by itself prove original delivery. A “4365/6022” stamp identifies the documented later service-case pattern. A date mismatch between case, movement and dial requires a service-history explanation.


The movement should be Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds. A 4365 with a Cal 1030 (the 6552 successor's caliber), Cal 1530, or Cal 1520 movement is service-replacement and is not original. The Cal 10½ Hunter's sub-seconds layout requires the small seconds register at six on the dial; a 4365 with a centre-seconds dial layout suggests a service-era dial-or-movement swap. The case suffix on solid-gold variants should match the metal: 18K pink gold examples carry hallmark stamps consistent with the solid-gold construction; absence of hallmark on what should be solid gold is a flag.
The movement should be Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds. A 4365 with a Cal 1030 (the 6552 successor's caliber), Cal 1530, or Cal 1520 movement is service-replacement and is not original. The Cal 10½ Hunter's sub-seconds layout requires the small seconds register at six on the dial; a 4365 with a centre-seconds dial layout suggests a service-era dial-or-movement swap. The case suffix on solid-gold variants should match the metal: 18K pink gold examples carry hallmark stamps consistent with the solid-gold construction; absence of hallmark on what should be solid gold is a flag.


The bracelet usually doesn't help. Most surviving 4365s wear post-1950s replacements or aftermarket leather. Authenticate the head, dial, and movement first; treat the bracelet as supplementary evidence.
Bracelets provide supplementary evidence. The cited lots include later replacements and aftermarket leather, so authenticate the case, dial and movement first.




Line 203: Line 213:
* [[Reference:4499|Air-King 4499]]
* [[Reference:4499|Air-King 4499]]
* [[Reference:4925|Air-King 4925]]
* [[Reference:4925|Air-King 4925]]
* [[Reference:5500|Air-King 5500]] — 34mm Oyster (1957–1989)
* [[Reference:5500|Air-King 5500]], 34mm Oyster (1957–1989)
* [[Reference:5501|Air-King 5501]]
* [[Reference:5501|Air-King 5501]]
* [[Reference:5502|Air-King 5502]]
* [[Reference:5502|Air-King 5502]]
Line 209: Line 219:


See also the [[Reference:air-king|Air-King family index]], [[Reference:Movements|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers|serial numbers by year]].
See also the [[Reference:air-king|Air-King family index]], [[Reference:Movements|movement reference]], [[Reference:Bracelets|bracelet & clasp guide]], and [[Reference:Serial-numbers|serial numbers by year]].
<gallery mode="packed" heights="180">
File:Ref 4365 hero.webp|Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, c.1946.
File:Ref 4365 dial-variant-air-king.webp|4365 Air-King, stainless steel, white dial with applied Arabic numerals and sub-seconds at six.
File:Ref 4365 dial-variant-air-lion.webp|4365 Air-Lion, 4365/6022 composite case, silvered dial with gilt baton markers and Roman quarters.
</gallery>


== Sources ==
== Sources ==
Line 217: Line 233:
* [https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/lists/complete-guide-to-the-rolex-air-king-1945-to-present-1235881849/ "The Complete Guide to Rolex Air-King Watches From 1945 to Present", Robb Report]
* [https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/lists/complete-guide-to-the-rolex-air-king-1945-to-present-1235881849/ "The Complete Guide to Rolex Air-King Watches From 1945 to Present", Robb Report]
* [https://www.rolexmagazine.com/2013/07/the-complete-history-of-rolex-air-king.html Jake Ehrlich, "The Complete History Of The Rolex Air-King", Rolex Magazine, 2013]
* [https://www.rolexmagazine.com/2013/07/the-complete-history-of-rolex-air-king.html Jake Ehrlich, "The Complete History Of The Rolex Air-King", Rolex Magazine, 2013]
* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/28398/lot/39/rolex-a-stainless-steel-manual-wind-wristwatch-oyster-air-king-ref-4365-c1946/ "Rolex Air-King Ref 4365 c.1946 Bonhams Canadian Collection", Bonhams, 2023]
* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/28398/lot/17/rolex-a-stainless-steel-manual-wind-wristwatch-oyster-air-lion-ref-4365-6022-circa-1958/ "Rolex Air-Lion Ref 4365/6022 c.1958 Bonhams Canadian Collection", Bonhams, 2023]
* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/28398/lot/17/rolex-a-stainless-steel-manual-wind-wristwatch-oyster-air-lion-ref-4365-6022-circa-1958/ "Rolex Air-Lion Ref 4365/6022 c.1958 Bonhams Canadian Collection", Bonhams, 2023]
* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/28398/lot/41/rolex-a-gold-plated-manual-wind-wristwatch-oyster-air-tiger-ref-4365/ "Rolex Air-Tiger Ref 4365 Gold-Plated Bonhams Canadian Collection", Bonhams, 2023]
* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/28398/lot/41/rolex-a-gold-plated-manual-wind-wristwatch-oyster-air-tiger-ref-4365/ "Rolex Air-Tiger Ref 4365 Gold-Plated Bonhams Canadian Collection", Bonhams, 2023]

Latest revision as of 05:16, 29 September 2026


Air-King › 4365

Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, c.1946
Rolex 4365 Air-Tiger, gold-plated, cream dial with applied gilt Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, c.1946

The 4365 is the sub-seconds sister to the centre-seconds 4925 in the 1945 Air-King launch. The two references run in parallel from 1945 through approximately 1953, sharing the Cal 10½ Hunter family but using different dial layouts: 4925 is centre-seconds, while 4365 has the small seconds register at six. Period examples carry Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger or Air-Giant text on the dial. Marcus Siems' published side-by-side photograph documents Air-Tiger, Air-Giant and Air-Lion examples as 4365s.

By the early 1950s the catalog uses Air-King alone. Tudor later used Air-Tiger on ref. 7957, while Air-Lion and Air-Giant do not appear in the later Tudor records cited here. The four names should be treated as dial variants on the early Air references, not as separate 4365 case references.


Core facts

detail value
reference 4365 (composite 4365/6022 documented on late-cased examples c.1958)
family Air-King
common name sub-seconds Air-King; Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant dial variants
production 1945–1953 active production; 4365/6022 composite-cased examples documented through 1958 (Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17)
case 32–34mm Oyster cases are documented; measurements vary by lot and material
metals stainless steel, gold-plated and solid 18K pink-gold examples are documented
crystal acrylic plexiglass, domed
crown Twinlock screw-down (manual brevet for early production)
movement Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds variant, 15 jewels early and 17 jewels later; same 700/710/720-base architecture as 4925
chronometer no, "PRECISION" tier
dial layout sub-seconds register at six o'clock (the key visual distinction from centre-seconds 4925)
dial text variants AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT on documented 4365 dials
bracelet 19mm Oyster, period-correct rivet construction; original 18K pink gold Oyster on the Antiquorum solid-gold Precision example
caseback screw-down threaded Oyster
sister 4925 (centre-seconds 1945-era Air-King), 4499 (1946+ centre-seconds running mate to 4925), 4444 (mid-size with gold bezel and crown, Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King variants), 4647 (Hunter Precision, Air-Lion sister)
successor line absorbed into the 4925 / 4499 → 6552 → 5500 trajectory; no direct sub-seconds Air-King successor

Where it sits in the line

The 4365 sits at the dial-layout fork in the 1945 Air-King launch. The documented case group includes the Bubbleback-class 32–34mm Oyster 4365, the centre-seconds 4925, the mid-size 4444 with solid-gold bezel and crown, and the Hunter Precision 4647. Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant text appears across the period Air references; Siems' photographs document three of those names on 4365 examples.

The architectural relationship to the 4925 is direct. Both references launched in 1945 with the Cal 10½ Hunter family and steel Oyster cases. The 4925 carries centre-seconds; the 4365 carries the small register at six. Rolex offered both layouts in parallel through the late 1940s and into the early 1950s, then replaced them around 1953 with the automatic 6552 and Cal 1030.

The case has a flatter profile than a rotor-driven Bubbleback because the Cal. 10½ Hunter movement does not require rotor clearance. Lugs are 19mm with drilled spring-bar holes. The bezel is fixed, steel and smooth. The crown is a manual-wind brevet screw-down.

A documented 4365/6022 composite case appears in late-1950s service records. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365/6022 Air-Lion dated c.1958. The secondary reference 6022 is a later service case, so this is a service-era refit rather than original-delivery 1940s production.

Production outline

Published Air-King histories place the 4365 launch in 1945 alongside the 4925, 4444 and 4647. The four names belong to the dial variants documented in that launch group.

Published histories place the 4365 and 4925 cutoff around 1953, when the automatic 6552 and Cal 1030 take over. The 4365/6022 example dated 1958 in Bonhams lot 17 is a service-case example, not evidence of continuing original 4365 production.

No production total is published. The cited auction record contains four Bonhams and Antiquorum lots through 2025. Variant identification still depends on the dial, case and movement together.

Movement notes

The 4365 runs the Cal 10½ Hunter family in its sub-seconds layout, with the small seconds register at six rather than the centre-seconds sweep of the 4925. The 700-series base architecture and the 15j-to-17j running update mirror the 4925's progression; see the 4925 movement notes for the caliber breakdown.

The case profile reads closer to the post-war flat-case Oyster than to the pre-war Bubbleback proper; the Cal 10½ Hunter doesn't need rotor-clearance dome.

The 4365 is not COSC chronometer rated. The dial reads PRECISION across documented examples; A “Super Precision” 4365 dial would need an explanation because the documented examples use “Precision”; a service replacement is one possibility.

Dial map

The auction and specialist record documents four dial names and several configurations:

AIR-KING — silvered/rhodium with applied baton + Arabic

The Air-King-marked 4365 dial. Silvered or rhodium ground, applied baton hour markers with Arabic numerals at the cardinal positions, sub-seconds register at six, "AIR-KING" + "PRECISION" text. Bonhams' 2023 Private Canadian Collection lot 39 (steel, c.1946, case No. 431743) is the documented major-house auction anchor; a specialist-dealer record catalogues a separate 1946 example.

AIR-LION — silvered with gilt baton + Roman quarters

Silvered or rhodium ground, applied gilt baton hour markers with Roman numeral quarters at three / six / nine / twelve, sub-seconds at six, "AIR-LION" + "PRECISION" text. The Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 (4365/6022 composite case, c.1958) is the documented anchor. A documented Air-Giant 4365 with similar dial language sits in the same configuration family.

AIR-TIGER — cream/eggshell with applied gilt Arabic

Cream or eggshell ground, applied gilt Arabic numerals at all hours, gilt leaf hands, sub-seconds at six, "AIR-TIGER" + "PRECISION" text. Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 41 (gold-plated 32mm 4365 Air-Tiger, c.1946) is the documented major-house anchor. A 1946 Air-Tiger 4365 dealer entry corroborates the configuration across the specialist market.

AIR-GIANT — silvered with baton + Arabic

Silvered ground, applied baton hour markers with Arabic numerals, sub-seconds at six, "AIR-GIANT" + "PRECISION" text. An Air-Giant 4365 surfaces in the dealer market; Siems' published side-by-side photograph documents the Air-Giant dial alongside Air-Tiger and Air-Lion on the same case-and-movement combination.

Solid 18K pink gold Precision — black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices

18K pink gold case (33mm × 20 × 39mm), black dial with applied pink-gold dart hour markers and square index plates, dauphine hands, sub-seconds at six. Antiquorum Hotel Richemond Geneva 13 October 2001 lot 553 is the documented anchor; its result is listed in the Auction record.

The tropical brown / chocolate-gilt 4365 surfaces on a single 35mm gold-cased dealer-market example as a patina-aged sub-variant. Honeycomb / clous-de-Paris and retailer-signed (Tiffany / Cartier / Beyer / Asprey) 4365 examples are not documented in the auction record.

Bracelets, end-links, and clasps

19mm Oyster across the production. The Antiquorum 2001 18K pink gold Precision lot is the clearest documented original-fitment example, with an original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet on the solid-gold case. Most other surviving 4365 lots come on aftermarket leather; 1940s rivet Oyster bracelets are uncommon in the surviving auction record.

The end-link generation pre-dates the formal numbered Oyster bracelet references that anchor the later 5500-era Air-King line. Period-correct fitment on a stainless 4365 is generic 6635-class rivet Oyster with the early end-link 57 or 58. The solid-gold variant carries gold-link Oyster construction.

Special branches

Four-name dial distribution on shared cases

The Air-King, Air-Lion, Air-Tiger and Air-Giant dial texts are the main documented branch. Siems' side-by-side photograph is the documentary anchor. The origin story remains attributed in the 4925 Battle of Britain section.

Solid 18K pink gold Precision

The 33mm 18K pink gold case has an original gold Oyster bracelet, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, and dauphine hands. Antiquorum Geneva 2001 lot 553 is the documented anchor; the sale result is listed in the Auction record.

4365/6022 composite-cased late examples

Bonhams 2023 Canadian Collection lot 17 catalogues a 4365 Air-Lion movement in a 6022 service-replacement case dated c.1958. The lot documents a 4365 movement in a 6022 service case in 1958, several years after the commonly cited 4365 production period. It is a service-case example rather than evidence of continued original 4365 production. The 6022 secondary reference is a later-period service case, not a continuous-production sub-line.

Tudor Air-Tiger ref. 7957 examples are documented separately. They carry the name on a different brand and reference, so they are not 4365 variants. A documented 4647 Air-Lion (~1947, 31×39mm Hunter Precision) and the 4444 Air-Lion / Air-Giant / Air-King mid-size with solid-gold bezel/crown are the non-4365 references that carried Air-Lion / Air-Giant variants in the 1945-launch generation.

The cited auction record does not document retailer-signed, military-issue or named-presentation 4365 variants through 2025.

Auction record

Sale Lot Year Reference details Result
Antiquorum Geneva (Hotel Richemond) 553 2001 4365 18K pink gold Oyster Precision, 33mm, Cal 10 17j, black dial with applied pink-gold dart and square indices, dauphine hands, original 18K pink gold Oyster bracelet CHF 7,475 (est. CHF 5,000–7,000)
Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) 39 2023 4365 stainless Air-King, 32mm, Cal 10½ 17j, white dial applied Arabic, sub-seconds at 6, blued steel leaf hands, case No. 431743, c.1946 Realised USD 1,408 incl. premium (est. USD 1,000–2,000)
Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) 17 2023 4365/6022 stainless Air-Lion, 35mm, Cal 10½ 17j, silvered dial gilt baton + Roman quarters, centre-seconds service-case example, c.1958 Est. USD 3,000–5,000
Bonhams Watches: A Private Canadian Collection (online NY) 41 2023 4365 gold-plated Air-Tiger, 32mm, Cal 10½ 17j, cream dial applied Arabic, sub-seconds at 6, gilt leaf hands, c.1946 Realised USD 1,088 incl. premium

The results are lot-specific and should not be used as a price band for the reference. The 4365/6022 lot is a service-case example with centre-seconds, unlike the normal sub-seconds 4365 configuration. The page’s cited record contains no standalone 4365 lot from Phillips, Sotheby’s or Christie’s.

Authentication

The 4365 is an early- to mid-1940s reference. Service and refit history is possible on any surviving example, and the Bonhams 4365/6022 lot documents a later service case. Read the dial, movement and case together rather than relying on one feature.

The dial-text question is the cleanest single anchor for variant identification. AIR-KING / AIR-LION / AIR-TIGER / AIR-GIANT are all documented period-correct 4365 dial configurations; the four sister names are not interchangeable on a service-replacement basis (a service-replacement Air-Tiger dial applied to a 4365/6022 service case would be plausible but dramatic). Provenance documentation (period photographs, the dealer's-ledger entry where available, the geographic distribution channel) is essential at the four-name dial-text level. Marcus Siems' side-by-side photograph is the standard reference for the four configurations.

A caseback stamped “4365” supports the period reference but does not by itself prove original delivery. A “4365/6022” stamp identifies the documented later service-case pattern. A date mismatch between case, movement and dial requires a service-history explanation.

The movement should be Cal 10½ Hunter sub-seconds. A 4365 with a Cal 1030 (the 6552 successor's caliber), Cal 1530, or Cal 1520 movement is service-replacement and is not original. The Cal 10½ Hunter's sub-seconds layout requires the small seconds register at six on the dial; a 4365 with a centre-seconds dial layout suggests a service-era dial-or-movement swap. The case suffix on solid-gold variants should match the metal: 18K pink gold examples carry hallmark stamps consistent with the solid-gold construction; absence of hallmark on what should be solid gold is a flag.

Bracelets provide supplementary evidence. The cited lots include later replacements and aftermarket leather, so authenticate the case, dial and movement first.


Related references

See also the Air-King family index, movement reference, bracelet & clasp guide, and serial numbers by year.

Sources